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With Vision, The People Flourish
Thursday, April 8, 1999


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NHNE Y2K VisionQuest: Part Two
With Vision, The People Flourish

Thursday, April 8, 1999


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The Rate of Change Would be Dramatic
Laying Low In Redway
The Calm Before the Storm
Honest, Helpful Thinking
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The Writing on the Wall
Echoed Many of My Own Thoughts
My Heart Goes Out
Karl Marx, Space Invaders & Y2K
I See Y2K As A Global Rite of Passage
We Don't Want to Meet Some of Our Reflections
The Missing Piece
Y2K & Improvisation
Their Foot In the Door?
In the Middle of the Road Group
Y2K Isn't Special, It's Just More Universal
The Hidden Code of Y2K
Get to Know Our Maker
We Can Face This & Survive
Share Information, Focus on Your Family
Now Is Time to Stretch Into Unknown Territory


"I see Y2K as a global rite of passage which has the potential to sufficiently destabilize the dominant paradigm to allow an opening for the Creative Force to re-enter our lives and inspire and encourage us toward building the world that many of us have long dreamed and imagined."

--- Robert Riversong


By David Sunfellow


Y2K, as everyone on this mailing list knows, could cause very serious problems, or nothing much at all, or any number of possibilities in between. Is there anything we can do to find out just how serious Y2K is going to be and what, exactly, you and I need to do about it?

I've come to believe that human beings have several faculties with which to solve mysteries and find our way around this world. These faculties can be compared to our five physical senses: seeing, feeling, tasting, hearing, smelling.

If we come upon a sleeping skunk, and only use our sense of touch to figure out what it is, we could end up in trouble. But if we are also using our sense of sight, and smell, we'll have a better idea what we've run into -- and what to do about it.

Most of the people who are tracking Y2K today, are tracking it from an analytical or intellectual perspective. They read the news, monitor meetings, hearings, surveys and critical events, listen to various analysts, perhaps study modern and historical patterns, and try to determine how serious Y2K is going to be. While this kind of research provides us with valuable information, it often misses huge chunks of information that is not available to intellectual processes.

Dreams, visions, intuitions, inner voices, and other forms of inner guidance, on the other hand, can expand our awareness and carry us into places far beyond the intellect. But our inner faculties also have blind spots and weaknesses.

The trick is to use all the faculties we have -- physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual -- to discern what is happening and chart an effective, well-rounded course of action.

Equally important, we also need to involve other human beings in our process who can fill out and deepen the picture.

This Special Report, along with our weekly news reports and other Y2K projects, are increasingly focused attempts to tap all the faculties we have, and join together with as many different people as possible, to get a clear bead on Y2K (and the tumultuous times in which we live).


Part One of our three-part NHNE Y2K VisionQuest Special Report consisted of an overview from me (http://www.nhne.com/y2kreport/specialreports/srvq1.html). This part (Part Two) consists mostly of feedback from NHNE readers. And Part Three will contain whatever inspirations, insights, and experiences emerge from our upcoming visionquest.

Originally, our visionquest had been planned for this weekend, but we've decided to reschedule it for Saturday, May 8th and Sunday, May 9th. We decided to do this because we realized we needed more time to organize. We also realized that many of you may have little or no experience with visionquesting, and we wanted to be sure everyone who was interested understood how, exactly, to organize an effective visionquest in their part of the world before launching it.

We also realized that teaching folks how to conduct visionquests -- individually and in groups -- could be extremely important in the long term. So, too, could building a global visionquest network that could be activated when other potential crises knock on our collective door.

So we're going to take our time on this one, and do it right.


To get the ball rolling, we've set up a special listserve, "The NHNE VisionQuest Discussion List." This list has been created to help those of us who are interested learn how to conduct visionquests and also to help organize NHNE's May Y2K VisionQuest. If you want to participate in this list, all you have to do is send a message to:


The list will be facilitated by myself and David La Chapelle. David and I both have many years of experience organizing visionquests, in a variety of settings, using many different techniques. We are also hoping to be joined by others on the NHNE Mailing List who have experience in dream work, questing, and other forms of inner seeking.

To begin with, the discussion list will not be moderated. This means that everyone who joins the list will be able to post messages directly to everyone else on the list. Early on, we'll probably spend as much time getting to know one another as we do talking about various visionquest issues. And then we'll start hammering out some concrete plans for the May quest. As things develop, I'll post periodic updates to the mailing list at large so those of you who don't want to participate in the day-to-day listserve discussions will know how things are unfolding.


And with that, it is my pleasure to share with you the real power behind NHNE: our growing network of seekers. As you will see from the following letters, we are sitting on a gold mine of experience, inspiration, and hard-earned wisdom. Working together, I have no doubt we will be able to find our way safely through whatever storms may come our way -- Y2K or otherwise -- and continue to help a more conscious, loving, spirit-filled world be born.

With Love & Best Wishes,
David Sunfellow


[The following letters were written in response to Part One of our three-part NHNE Y2K VisionQuest Special Report (http://www.nhne.com/y2kreport/specialreports/srvq1.html)].


It appears to me quite evident that we are in the midst of profound transformation in the planetary body and planetary consciousness, and thus also in human life, evolution and consciousness. I have absolutely no fear that this transformation might be negative; I am certain that we are passing through a spiritual doorway which, like all spiritual doorways, will reveal greater light. Nor do I doubt that the transformation will be challenging, even painful and mortal, for many, perhaps including myself. I am convinced that we are to go through this doorway together, however alone we may feel. And that our way through will be to banish fear, to summon forth as much love and joyous confidence as we are capable of, to help one another and love one another wholeheartedly, and, if possible, to laugh the whole way through.

That being said, let it stand as credo. To be followed by confession:

I am an intelligent, usually resourceful, fairly independent 58-year old woman. I have lived for the last 20 years in a spiritual community in the northeast. I thought that I would be there for the rest of my life. I thought that I would pass through this time of planetary transformation within that community. I was preparing a home and land for the long haul. Yet...poof! In an instant, gone! Everything is always changing, and really, we just never know what's going to happen next! So now, quite out of the blue and without really knowing why, I find myself living in Arizona, where everything is new to me and I know almost no one. I have no inclination to start the acquisition process all over again, to build another solid-appearing life and identity in this new place. My life now is more about "going naked." All the possessions of home and things, including all the bottles and storage jars, all the food gradually gathered, the wood stove, the alternative light sources, the sanitary preparations...left behind. Living now from month to month, no steady work, a rented apartment. I am, frankly, paralyzed by the thought of acquiring all those physical objects: what to gather, where to store it, how even to think about what is needed, all those lists, and the sheer cost of it all.

Your work has been to inform people and awaken us to our ability to respond, to take proactive steps to prepare for whatever may lie ahead -- and, preferably, to do that together. I am only one of these people, and what I am saying here is that I have not yet gotten dislodged from what looks like apathy, but is really more a sense of being overwhelmed by the complexity and scope of the project: simply to figure out what I, a single woman with dog, would need to pull together to be in a state of readiness. There must be hundreds, thousands, like me.

I think what I would like is for someone who is really knowledgeable to make, from the many "lists," ONE LIST: "Here is what you need for one person for one month. Multiply it by as many months as you yourself feel necessary." Specifically: How to do the toilet thing. How to store water safely. This one is daunting. We are talking about enormous quantities of water. I simply cannot comprehend how to store 3-6 months of water in an apartment. I have also been advised that in the coming period plastic may become affected in such a way as to render it unsafe for food storage. What do I do with that information??? And so on, and so on.

And doing this all by myself, instead of with neighbors, friends and community members -- inconceivable. But, frankly, the neighbors do not seem interested. At least not yet. Though I'm working on it, sort of.

Thank you for your work. Best wishes in whatever turns your path will take from here on.

Northern Arizona, USA

[Two comments:

1. Ted Derryberry provides a list that partially addresses Barbara's concerns:


More lists can be found on the wild2k "Y2K Preparation Lists" Page:


2. When my family and I first moved to Sedona 1986, we met a fellow who was a staunch believer in the earth change predictions of Edgar Cayce. He was so convinced that Cayce's dire predictions were going to happen that he moved to a remote part of the country and spent several years designing and building a house and stockpiling it full of supplies. About a year after his house was completed and a year's worth of food and other supplies stored away, it burned to the ground and everything was lost. Feeling that several years of his life had gone up in smoke, along with thousands of dollars, he was crushed. According to him, he almost committed suicide and it took him several years to recover. When we met him, he had given up all plans to buy land and build earth change-proof houses. Instead, he had poured his time and resources into building a fully-equipped survival bus, which, unlike the house he had labored so long and hard to build, could move, and, I suppose, outrun fires! It reminded me that nothing in this world is permanent and whatever physical preparations we do make, had best be guided by spirit and built on spiritual foundations. -- DS]



This has been a rather difficult winter healthwise for me. I have been in and out of the hospital several times and thought for sure my time had come. So did the doctors. I believe God still has work for me on this side so here I am. Just getting my next breath seems to have been the most important issue for me.

I wanted to share with you a very special experience I had one night. It has really brought about a very deep change in attitude and I still find myself laughing and feeling love and joy from this dream.

The night before this dream, I had been up all night doubled over coughing. I believe one can cough themselves to death, which is not the way I want to go. I was very mad at God. I could not feel His nearness. I did feel detached from my body, but could not understand why I had to be going through this. I still don't. Death is just fine with me. Pain is not. Fear is not.

Next morning I went to the clinic and they sent me to the hospital where I spent the day. That night I could breath. I fell asleep and had an out-of-body experience. I don't know how to describe it. It was like being in a higher mind or in God's presence. It was a place of absolute perfect peace, love, joy, happiness. I was in a place of being totally overjoyed. From this vantage point, I could look down on all creation. I could see the wars, the pain and all the awful suffering of humanity. And I saw it as ONE BIG JOKE. Everything here was an illusion. Something we have made up, but which is not real. Only God is real. I laughed and laughed so hard I woke myself up laughing with tears pouring down my eyes.

Meher Baba always said life is a mighty joke. I could not understand that at all. For the life of me it always eluded me how that might be. But I really saw for myself what an illusion this all is here, all of it. It is a joke. Nothing here will last. We are all eternally safe and love alone will prevail. This dream seemed to open up a flood gate of love and joy because lately I am just drowning in an ocean of love, joy and bliss. I am so grateful for each moment.

Anyway, I had to share this. I feel we must do what our inner guidance tells us and for now all I can feel is, "Don't Worry, Be Happy." We can not heal this world. We can not change this world. This earth has come in and out existence many times and will continue to do so until all return back to God. It is so simple: it is all done with a change of mind. Our mind creates our world. When we truly choose God, this world will disappear and an unseen world of absolute perfection is ours.

God bless you and all who journey towards our true Home.

Marie Rhodes
Live Oak, California, USA



I appreciated your piece setting out your reactions. I was particularly glad that you reminded us to be careful of the screens through which we see Y2K and transformational issues. It is a real danger. On the other hand, we need to be aware that we may actually be seeing correctly. For example, it was clear to me that the Kosovo decision was an unmitigated disaster because of my memories of World War II. The dangers are now being played out.

As you may know, I have been engaged in promoting the idea that fundamental change is needed for over forty years. My greatest error has been to assume that we would be quicker to recognize the need for change because the need for change was obvious to me. All too often this has not happened, at least at the level of visible communication channels.

It is my personal belief, however, that the current apparently dominant norms are now very brittle and fragile. If all of us who know that real change is needed were to act creatively and imaginatively in our own specific realities to do what we could, I am convinced that the rate of change would be dramatic. Indeed, I am more concerned about success than about failure for I see little sign that we are ready to cope with success.

I am now looking at what we could do to have more effective links in the noosphere, to use Teillard de Chardin's language.

Robert Theobald
Spokane, Washington, USA
Resilient Communities



David: Your comments on how the Sedona group was going (or not going) really struck a chord with me.

I started presenting Y2K info on my monthly radio show over a year ago. As I became more convinced, I was "pushed" to start awareness meetings. We've had 36 of them so far. At first, attendance was low: three to five people. I put up a few flyers, sent out letters to churches and community organizations. Then some other folks asked me to be part of Y2K presentations. Attendance of the weekly meetings grew, and we had between eight and 13 folks. It was time to start getting out into the community. I attended a meeting in a town 75 miles away to find out about their organization. They had committees going, and were out talking to those in the area: city government, utilities, etc.

I came back to our local meeting all fired up and ready to start community work. Our community is very small in rural northern California. We have no city government, or utility companies, and our water systems are little more than large-supply, privately-owned operations. Also, many of our populace lives pointed toward self-sufficiency. We have wood stoves, gardens, springs, animals and orchards. We experience power outages on a regular basis.

The next meeting after my trip north was attended by only two people beside myself. The next two meetings only one person showed up. And that's the way it's been for a few weeks now. And let me tell all those other Y2K "nuts" out there that it's been a constant struggle NOT to beat myself up for doing whatever it was I did "wrong." I MUST have done something wrong for the whole thing to fall apart the way it seems to have done.

Now to hear that you, who I consider one of the Y2K "high rollers," are experiencing the same thing makes me feel better, and not a little confused. If other groups around the country are in this same boat, it makes me wonder about a "Greater Hand" being laid on the situation. Is there a larger pattern effecting us?

I've had to content myself with just getting the word out. I've started doing a daily three-minute radio spot called the "Y2K Briefing": A credible quote, some recent facts on one aspect of the Y2K issue, an admonition and a prep hint. I'm still available for the weekly meetings, but like you, have somewhat changed my thinking on what my role might be.

Thanks for being there.

Jack Flaws
Redway, California, USA



It seems that folks all over are experiencing your mild depression -- I think it's a combo of the Kosovo Flu and the calm, sort of, before the real storm. There will be a real surge of interest in about six to eight weeks, but right now, until Spring actually arrives, we all seem to be overwhelmed and are mainly just trying to collect ourselves. I have briefly discussed this with some of my cohorts and we all agree we need to spend some introspective time to organize the next phase.

I am through with the talking phase and, like you, I am now in the example phase. Time will tell if that makes a bigger impact on what we all need to take care of.

Thank you for being there to help guide and inspire.

Suzanne E. Wilson
Seattle, Washington, USA



You recently wrote:

"All my adult life, I have expected the current world order to be swept away and a new one to emerge in its place. I have also identified trigger mechanisms (like earth changes and messianic re-appearances) that I thought would topple the status quo. So far, none of the dramatic earth-shaking events I expected have taken place, nor, in my opinion, are they likely to. I have, in fact, spent a good deal of time systematically investigating and debunking my own misguided beliefs.

"While many of my beliefs have not withstood the test of serious inquiry, one core belief has: our world is passing through a time of profound change...

"Some part of me does, however, continue to expect dramatic, worldwide changes to swoop in and turn our comfy everyday world upside down. And Y2K, while not the kind of trigger mechanism I originally expected, fits the bill -- which makes me profoundly suspicious: Is Y2K as serious as it seems to be, or are my apocalyptic inclinations blowing it up into something it isn't?"

That's some of the most honest, and helpful, thinking I've encountered in a good while. Thank you!

I've been coordinating group preparedness orders here in Grass Valley/Nevada City, working with Sheri Nakken and others. Sheri and I feel much as you do about how Y2K transformation preparedness efforts are trending.

Charley Sweet
Grass Valley/Nevada City, California, USA



Wow, David, it is like you are inside my head, spirit and soul. What you have written is exactly what I feel, too. That's all I have time to write right now. Whewwwwwww!

Sheri Nakken
Nevada City, California, USA
Coordinator, Western Nevada County Y2K Preparedness Network



[The following was sent by Sheri Nakken to her online mailing list. It consists of a note from Sheri, followed by a post from Gary North that he wrote in response to the Kosovo crisis. We include them both here as "food for thought."]

I often compare the Y2K situation to the situation in Europe before the Jews and others were rounded up and killed. Some people saw the writing on the wall and got out and I wonder what it took for them to leave everything, even though no one else believed them. We have the same situation here in Kosovo, and possibly in Montenegro shortly. And we have Y2K...

--- Sheri Nakken

From Gary North:

Y2K Denial and the Ethnic Albanian Mindset:

"It was obvious by the beginning of 1999 that the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo would be in for big trouble this year. In the past 10 days, over 300,000 of them have become refugees. Another 1.6 million are facing oppression and will be tempted to leave.

"What if you were an ethnic Albanian? What if you had read the foreign press in January, watched what was happening in Kosovo, and decided to leave before you were forced out? What if you had warned your friends? Would they have joined you in the exodus?

"No. But 310,000 have changed their minds in the last 10 days. Now they must join the exodus when it is becoming hard to find a place of refuge. In January, some of them could have gotten out with some of their capital. Not now.

"They knew what the Serbs could do to them. Now they are doing it -- systematically, methodically. Should they be surprised? No more than any unarmed ethnic minority is in the midst of a well-armed, hostile majority. Think of the Armenians in 1915. Think of the Chinese in Indonesia in 1965. Most of them sat tight. They hoped for the best. Dead hope.

"This is reality. Large social systems cannot change rapidly except detrimentally. Large numbers of people will not accept really bad news until it is thrust on them.

"But a remnant can get out while the getting is good -- to the boos and tongue-clicking of those who will follow their lead when it is too late.

"Denial. It's hard to overcome."



Mostly I skim through the weekly Y2K Report, but I read all of Part One of the VisionQuest Report as I found it echoed many of my own thoughts as I was writing my book, "Surviving the Meltdown."

There's a wonderful expression: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the world isn't out to get you." I think that kinda sums up the way a lot of people feel at the moment.

When we first started writing "Surviving the Meltdown" over here in England, we thought that we must be nuts. Apart from a couple of articles in the press predicting the usual planes falling from the sky scenarios, and comforting reassurances from government that everything will be all right on the night, there wasn't much to find. In fairness until about mid-1998, most people in Britain thought it was a huge hoax being perpetrated by computer manufacturers in an effort to boost sales, and that one day Bill gates would announce a cure.

We all know that really is the "You Wish" scenario. However, even though we have one government body readily admitting that 40 percent of British businesses are planning to wait and see how badly they are hit, the official line is still that there is no need to worry.

I'd liken that to sitting between the rails and waiting to see how bad the injuries are after the train smacks into your body at 75 mph. But hasn't it always been like this?

Back in 1914 millions of young men signed up to cross the channel to France to take part in a war that "would be all over by Christmas." In 1928 the newspaper headlines were awash with suggestions of eternal prosperity and economic growth. In 1939 Neville Chamberlain stood on the tarmac at Croydon Airport and said, "I have in my hand a piece of paper, signed by Mr. Hitler, in which he assures us that there will be no war in Europe."

The list goes on and on: Vietnam, Korea, Gulf War Syndrome, GM foods, Thalidomide, and now Kosovo. Let's face it, you guys have a President who went on prime time TV and stated that he did not have a sexual relationship with "that woman," and the net result was years of expensive legal debate trying to establish precisely what a sexual relationship was. In the end, the final outcome was that commerce triumphed over right.

As you look back across the 20th Century, you cannot but realize that the public statement and private truth only rarely occupy the same ground. However, for the great mass of society, living in corporate conformity and reliant on the six o'clock news for their information and Jerry Springer for their amusement, the concept that the whole infrastructure could be unraveled by two invisible computer digits is so totally alien that they simply cannot grasp it. Unquestionably, when faced with such a huge and challenging concept, the easiest refuge is disbelief.

Last week I was interviewed by a journalist from one of our leading newspapers. A bright girl, well educated, and in her mid twenties, she had taken the book home the night before to skim through it and find some controversial bits to ask me questions about. She confessed that she found the whole subject so fascinating that she stayed up all night reading the book cover to cover. She totally floored me when she asked if I planned to take my own advice and spend the summer learning to cook.

As someone in their mid-40s, cooking is not a chore but a pleasure, and I was amazed at the suggestion that this was in some way a rare skill. In fact, in a straw poll around the newspaper office, we found that none of them ever cooked. Or chopped logs. Or sewed up shirts. Or planted vegetables. Or mended their cars. As one of them pointed out, "We're the 'boil-in-a-bag' generation. We've never known any world other than one run by computers where everything is instantly available."

I don't know about you, but I think that is sad. Not only have these people lost many mind-enhancing skills, they no longer have a sense of wonder.

Certainly, the millennium meltdown message is a very long way from getting across over here in Europe. But perhaps it is because the implications of accepting it are so great that it would, as you rightly say, bring a total paralysis to society as people panic trying to prepare for the worst.

One of the things I would say, as an independent journalist with a very open mind and no strong religious practice, is that NHNE's reporting of the situation has been the most accurate and unbiased that I have seen. You have followed your own path and simply pointed others to where they can learn and make their own journeys of discovery. Yes, it is very easy to get to the stage of thinking "with all these people saying I'm wrong, maybe I am." Somehow, I don't think you are.

I have been asked by THE TIMES in London to submit a piece of future fiction that takes the idea of a post apocalyptic society in which we are returned to an agrarian lifestyle, but in which the Internet somehow survives. Although it is theoretically an unlikely possibility, it could just happen. But I wonder: Would it be a force for good or evil? Or could it take on a more frightening significance? If that scene does come to pass, let's pray that you and I still both have a working terminal!

Keep the faith guys. You're doing a good job. And don't forget the prophet is often without honor in his own country.

James Carpenter
Tunbridge Wells, England



You asked for comments! Well, I know very little about the technology behind this bug, but I almost hope that it causes a LARGE disruption in our world. My husband and I have been through hard times; we know how to survive (and are preparing for TEOTWAWKI), but my heart goes out to those who have never been through any survival struggles. Those who live in the big cities that don't even know how to plant a garden (or have a yard to plant one in!); the "younger generation" who have known nothing but this affluent society. What will they do when they can't get what they want? The possibilities for evil are astounding. May God see us through this.

Michigan, USA



As an eight-year-old boy growing up in Denver in the 60's, my school periodically held air raid drills. At the teacher's command, we'd giggle and slide under our desks, clasping our hands over the back of our heads. And I'd close my eyes tightly, giggling, imagining the boom and mushroom cloud.

I'd try to imagine then, what in this great big dangerous world could possibly bring peace between us and the feared communist Soviet Union. I'd imagine an attack on Earth from outer space. Under attack from a common enemy, I'd imagine the U.S. and the Soviet Union joining forces to battle these invaders from space.

Thirty years later, the risks from the Y2K bug remind me of this. The Y2K bug is an enemy common to all but perhaps the most technologically underdeveloped nations.

Today, the Soviet Union and its communist ideology no longer exist. Karl Marx's economic system (called "communism") held that the people would follow a plan developed by their leaders. It required that each individual follow this plan for the good of the society. It required the sacrifice of individual freedoms, but in so doing, all in the system would benefit.

Communism didn't work on this planet, because this planet is inhabited by human beings, a species that was better suited for an economic system called capitalism. Capitalism, you see, held that the society as a whole would benefit if each individual were free to maximize his own welfare. Considering only ourselves and competing in a cutthroat profit driven style, this would benefit the whole.

It's ironic, then, that today the threat of the Y2K bug, the common enemy, can only be ameliorated on a global level by the coordination and communication espoused by Karl Marx's elusive and failed theory.

Perhaps it is true when they say that communism could only work in heaven.

Peter Mandis
Newport, Rhode Island, USA



I, too, wonder about the significance of the Y2K bug in the larger scheme of things. But I seem to be more convinced than you that we are entering a time of a major shift in consciousness, earth changes, a new age. So many of the wisdom carriers of the indigenous peoples have been seeing the signs. So many ancient prophesies coming to fruition. So much focused intent.

But none of what I have heard had led me to believe that something as mundane and absurd as a computer "bug" would be the catalyst of transformation, the ill wind that blew down this fragile house of cards. Of course, this "bug" in the works is symbolic of the avarice, the hubris, the shortsightedness, and the selfishness which has been the foundation of our global economic culture and which allowed such a mistake to become embedded into the very heart of our global economic infrastructure.

Ivan Illich once said that we have seen many crises within the industrial system, but that one day we would see a crisis OF the industrial system. It seems that Y2K could very well be that crisis.

Will it end the world as we know it? I don't think so -- transformations are rarely cataclysmic. But it will plant more deeply and broadly the seeds of doubt and mistrust in the present order as well as sowing the seeds of hope and eagerness for the more sustaining and sustainable one that our souls long for.

As a visionquest guide and rite of passage facilitator, I am aware of the pregnant possibility that lies within a crisis. I understand the power of intent, and I know the efficacy of surrender to the larger forces which guide our evolution.

I see Y2K as a global rite of passage which has the potential to sufficiently destabilize the dominant paradigm to allow an opening for the Creative Force to reenter our lives and inspire and encourage us toward building the world that many of us have long dreamed and imagined.

But, as in any visionquest, the manifestation of the vision depends on the clarity of our intent, the discipline of our preparation and "fasting" (i.e. holding fast to that intent), and our willingness to surrender our need to control the outcome and trust the wisdom of the Universe to guide us to the next campsite on our long journey home.

Robert Riversong
Emergency Management Director
Readsboro, Vermont, USA



Y2K is a strange enigma. I just came from a meeting in San Rafael, California featuring well-known speaker/writer/organizer Meg Wheatley. After she spoke there was a chance to interact within the group. When the question came up concerning the public's seemingly slow response to the awesome unknown that awaits us, Meg offered the thought that the thing people were resisting was a deep recognition of our total interdependence with everyone and every place on the planet: we really don't want to meet some of our reflections and some (possibly many) of our fellow beings in any real, mutually vulnerable, and/or intimate way. This is precisely what Y2K will have us do. We will have to cooperate to survive. The higher and more coherent the level of cooperation the more heavenly we will become. The less the cooperation, the lower we go mentally, and possibly physically. It seems, once again, that love is the bottom line.

I want to be working in "the Love Network" with an eye on God; doing the practical organizing work of life, one moment at a time. All of our relations are exceedingly important and exceedingly relevant to the mystery of ourselves. As I approach Y2K I'm becoming more vividly aware of this every day. We must transcend our primitive envy, jealousy, and violent scapegoating -- and find our unity in a higher order.

Scott Hess
Petaluma, California, USA



I found your Y2K article and thoughts very much on the mark.

My sense of the people in my community is that they seem to be waiting, but for exactly what is unclear. What comes to mind is the old phrase, "The Eleventh Hour Solution," but maybe more aptly would be, "The Eleventh Hour Direction." Either way, the feeling is waiting for the missing piece to fall into place. Perhaps when we do the visionquest, we'll get a glimpse or clue towards what that missing piece is or the next direction or step to take will be.

I do know that individually, most people have a good sense of the potential problems with the Y2K, and that they have quietly rejected the more extreme versions presented by the doomsayers and the everything's fine group. Most are somewhere in the middle of what Y2K would/could bring.

Preparation could be an area type of issue. For example, this is earthquake country, so many of us have had earthquake preparedness kits in place for some time now. Updating and expanding them to include addition types of supplies is not that big of an issue for most of us.

However, I feel that much can be attributed to a lack of direction or vision towards the new millennium itself rather than just from Y2K.

The only other thing I could add is that I also have had dreams (last year and March of this year) in which I came across groups of people who were like zombies, or under some sort of mind control despite anything I said or did. And in most my recent March 99 dream, I was aware of something very disturbing: that there was a sophistication behind how they [the ringleaders] managed to induce innocent, unaware people to join their group: they presented a nice, warm, friendly, safe, loving family community setting as the drawing card; an oasis from all the worldly troubles, where everyone's main job was to socialize and eat sugar-coated foods and sugar-laced drinks which were provided by the leaders. All their concerns and worries were answered for them by leaders of the group and the group leaders knew exactly what they were doing.

The dream is too long to describe in detail, but the overall theme was one of frustration: of seeing what was happening, but having my words fall on the deaf ears of most of the participates and resignation that their choices were theirs. I was also concerned about not getting caught by the group leaders. In the end, I succeeded in fighting my way out of the oasis and bringing a few "innocents" with me. But when we turned looked back, we saw new "innocents" arriving at their gates. Then we saw another smaller group outside the oasis that was buying candy from a vending machine and feeding it to themselves and their children. Somehow, the candy from the vending machine contained advertisements (and tickets) into the oasis.

I felt saddened by the choices made by the people in the oasis, but understood that they are being deceived by the group leaders. And that's where the dream ended: with me observing and wondering just what I could/should do next.

I wanted to share this dream -- especially after reading yours.

Please don't stop sending out the message. Even if we can't reach very many of the people in the oasis, we still can do much good for those buying candy at the vending machines...

Debra Hegerle
Martinez, California, USA



I thought I would share a generic positive possibility with respect to the Y2K situation.

I am working as a contractor at a major international financial institution, testing software programs for Y2K compliance. I find the mentality the same as the one that created the problem: there are more efforts towards defending the institution against charges that they did not do what they should (paper work, "defensible" testing, legal forms against lawsuits, etc. ) than in really fixing the problem. In many cases they are overwhelmed with the magnitude of the problem.

So what's the good news? For over a decade I was a university professor specializing in a field in sociology called "ethnomethodology." As ethno-medicine studied folk medicine, ethno-methodology studied folk methodology or folk methods of reasoning. Consistently, we found that every human activity from physics to deciding where to look for a parking place, involved a large amount of creative, seat-of-the-pants improvising. Even the most rigorous, rule-governed science had, at its core, a nexus of creative practices like "wait and see," "it will do for now," "it's vague now, but it will get clear later," etc. Recent studies in cognitive psychology and linguistics make it clear that humans typically must make decisions with inadequate information and only a limited amount of data.

What we found was how good people were at improvising when they were not interfered with. We watched cars get though intersections when the stop lights did not work; we watched hundreds of people cross both ways across Harvard square without even touching each other -- without any formal rules for navigating their bodies.

In the software world, I see programs released to the public regularly with perhaps 80 or 90 known, substantial bugs. Yet the programmers muddle their way through the code and routinely manage to fix things as they come up, in ways they really do not know. Often, the more management imposes a formal project "methodology," the slower things get fixed.

In sum, there is a wealth of human ability that takes over when things must be remedied, but the horizons are no longer clear. It is seldom acknowledged by the planners and managers of the world. We may, however, do far better than anticipated when confronted with challenges that our organizations and superiors have not pre-programmed for.

Howard Schwartz
Oakland, California, USA



Concerning your reasons as to why the government is suggesting three days of supplies: another option is that if they can get you to save up for three days, they've got their foot in the door and can then get you to stockpile more with less popular resistance. This is a common technique in psychological operations (psy-ops): if I urge you to save up for six months of hardships, your most common behavior is resistance due to habit, fear, prejudice or inertia. But if I can talk you into a smaller step, such as three days, I know I have a small victory already when I come back.

If next month, the Feds up the ante to a week, we'll know that this is the strategy.

Gerry Kolisch



I have read your Y2K discussion and fit in the middle of the road group. I also believe that we are in a time of great changes. By this time next year we will know the truth of Y2K.

I am a senior computer analyst for a large firm in Phoenix. I have been working on Y2K projects since last summer. I don't think anyone knows the total impact of Y2K. I know a lot of companies are very worried about being sued. We are required to document all of our testing and get lots of signoffs. This alone tells me that businesses recognize that in spite of their best efforts there will be problems.

I recently had a discussion with a business partner that provides data by satellite. I asked what kind of preparations they had made for Y2K and was told they weren't really concerned.

My view of the entire situation is that no matter what we all do to correct the Y2K problem, we are going to overlook some things. Anyone who has ever tested and implemented a software program knows there is a 10 to 20 percent chance of a failure in production. You just hope it is not to serious and you can find and fix it quickly. I think we will see a lot of this activity during the first few weeks of January. This is called "fix on failure" (FOF). Whether a company has spent years preparing for Y2K, or no time at all, this activity will still happen. The degree of the problem will be significantly mitigated by all of the software remediation and testing.

I decided last year that preparation was the wisest form of insurance. I hope I never need it, but I have enough emergency supplies to last for a month or two. There are many other emergency situations that could occur: earthquakes, tornadoes, etc. Why not just be prepared for any emergency? I would suggest 30 days as a minimum because there could be disruptions in food supplies on and off for an unknown time. I think it is important to recognize that we have an international economy and depend on many other countries for some of our goods. Other countries seem to be even less prepared and have less money to spend on Y2K remediation. This could cause some spot outages for 3 to 4 months. This is all guess work on my part.

I believe each of us should make those preparations that we are comfortable with. Last week, I decided I wanted a potable water filtration system. When I called my supplier, they said they were all out and they didn't know when they would get more in. Whatever actions you choose to take, do it now or your choices may become limited. It is definitely not the end of the world, but our comfortable world could become a lot more challenging to live in. Will you be ready for the change?

Bob Kennedy
Phoenix, Arizona, USA



My occupation is data processing systems analyst. I have worked on Y2K in two different large organizations. From this perspective, I believe most large organizations will have only minor problems in their major money handling systems: the vast majority of people will get their bills and have their checks when they are supposed to. I also believe many small businesses will be caught with their pants down. Many small businesses rely on outdated, non-Y2K-compliant systems and PC programs for their accounting and billing and have done nothing to address the Y2K problem or choose not to spend the time or money to do so. They will be rudely awakened by this problem.

I see Y2K as no different from various other issues that have happened in a technical society: things break or don't work as expected and technology gets replaced regularly. Y2K is just another technology that requires change that happens to be predictable ahead of time, just like rain in the spring.

People may compare Y2K to the Titanic, but to me, Y2K is more like the Atlantic ocean the Titanic sailed upon. The Titanic was only one of hundreds of ships sailing the Atlantic. Most of them worked fine and delivered their cargo and passengers safely. The Titanic just happened to be one that didn't. It's performance didn't live up to its advertising. The Titanic didn't stop transatlantic shipping or bring the world to an end. The same will be true of Y2K. Most people will fix it with little fanfare or problems, but there will be some big flashy exceptions. These will get the most press because we like disasters!

Our personal issue is predicting if we have set sail on a company that will hit a Y2K iceberg and if it does, will it take us down with it? We face this problem every time we drive a car (remember the Corvair, Pinto and Audi 5000, or the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, or the Oakland Bay Bridge during the Santa Cruz earthquake?), fly on an airplane (remember the Electra and now the 737?) or buy a new house (remember Love Canal or asbestos insulation?).

Y2K may be more an issue of arrogance rather than calamity. Millions eat hamburgers, potato chips and smoke cigarettes, none of which are particularly healthy. Millions more live in Los Angeles, Tokyo, Mexico City and San Francisco, all of which WILL be devastated by an earthquake. Other millions live on the coast of Florida, Bangladesh and Central America which will be inundated, again and again, by storms. We know these things aren't good for us and the negative results of them are well documented. BUT WE STILL DO THEM IN VAST NUMBERS ANY WAY!

Y2K isn't special, it's just more universal. Life will go on.

Don't look for worldwide apocalypse in Y2K. It may be a personal disaster if you happen to be caught as those on the Titanic were, but for the rest of us it will make for just another sensational disaster movie. Maybe we should be looking to purchase the movie rights from the companies that go belly up from Y2K rather than stockpiling bags of beans we will never eat!

My thoughts on a new order:

I would love to have a world were people weren't greedy and were helpful to each other and companies didn't make money selling useless or harmful products. Thinkers throughout time have recognized this vision for their lives as well. I am personally closer to realizing this in my own life than I was a decade ago. I know, however, in my day-to-day life, the most important question still remains:

"Where are the cookies?"

Joe Blazenski
Salem, Oregon, USA



"Only two things threaten our existence:
A breakdown of society as we know it;
The continuation of society as we know it."

--- Jan Blum, Seeds Blum Company

Every lesson that mankind must learn to continue life on this planet, with the present power of our technology, is inherent within one seemingly random computer event, Y2K. These lessons include:

1) Our competitive, power-driven instincts must quickly evolve into co-operative ones (As Martin Luther King, Jr. said: "The choice is no longer between violence and non-violence, but rather between non-violence and non-existence.")

2) We must cease the creation of our nuclear weapons, power plants and nuclear waste as they pose a continuing threat to the entire species, now and for many generations yet unborn.

3) We must stop polluting at our present level. Most pollution comes from the First World (one American pollutes more than 500 Nepalese).

4) We must transform our near-gluttonous materialism (which is the source of much of our pollution) and our intoxication with physical pleasuring (which continues to bind us to the physical, not spiritual, plane).

5) We must return our value system to one more centered in people and relationship, as opposed to the present one centered on power, money, and things. These offer only the illusion of happiness, not its reality, which is found in our relationships.

6) We must further develop, and eventually convert to, decentralized, non-polluting sources of energy (wind, solar, wave, hydro, etc.). There are less than 50 years of fossil fuels left and their present use is destroying the environment.

7) We must take our other technological threats seriously (global warming, biological, nuclear and chemical weapons, El Nino, ozone level, pollution, etc.). Like Y2K they are threatening, but unlike Y2K their deadline is not known.

8) We must become more self-reliant, depending more on ourselves and each other, as opposed to relying on our leaders and governments, who often do not have our best interests at heart.

9) The large corporations must adjust their value system to include not only profit but concern for the environment and people as well. Presently, as their size and power increases, their greed and short term thinking are eating through the earth and corrupting our democracies.

10) There must be a renewal of the use of non-hybrid seeds. At the present rate that seed companies are promoting and selling hybrid seeds (seeds that are only good for one season), in 20 years there will be almost no non-hybrid seeds available. We would have genetically engineered all food seeds on the planet to be non-renewable.

11) Our unabated barrage of sexuality, vulgarity and commercialism in our media must be reduced. It is degrading to the human spirit and undermines the creation and continuation of stable families.

12) Just as American Indian leaders planned seven generations ahead, so must we consider and plan for the generations that will follow us.

13) Technology and material growth must cease to be an end in itself. We must ask "What is it for?"

Every lesson listed above is vital if we are to continue on this planet with the power of our existing technology is listed above. Failure to learn any one of them continues to put our species at risk. Y2K has the ability to teach us every lesson. The chances of this being coincidence is infinitesimally small. On the other hand, the probability of this event being part of an Intelligent design is mathematically almost certain. And just to be sure our interest was caught, it arrives on the nanosecond of the new millennium.

If learned, the above lessons will create a major paradigm shift on the planet. One that is absolutely necessary if we are to continue here much longer. These lessons will not be learned easily. As with all human lessons, they will be learned through our pain. But they will be learned. This event is an Intelligently created and guided unfolding, imbued with almost unimaginable love and compassion for our species. As individuals asking what can we do to usher in this new paradigm, the answer is clear. In addition to whatever action or work we feel called to do-we must love ourselves and each other as much as we can for the new paradigm is a world based not on fear, but love.

Robert Roskind
Y2K Solutions Group, Inc.



I'd like to share some of my thoughts about Y2K. Most of this is what I've seen happen in my local area and also what I've heard personally from others that is happening in our country -- take it however you will. Ultimately, it's up to each individual as to what they believe, or how they act on what they believe.

In preparation for Y2K, it must be noted that our military is taking action. Last fall ('98) our local military base started "letting go" ALL of it's civilian personnel. Why?

Also note that the Army National Guard has told its men that they are going on ACTIVE duty sometime in December of 1999. Getting the picture yet?

On top of that, it's been said that our own President Clinton has already put in EXECUTIVE ORDERS to be able to call NATIONAL EMERGENCY and MARTIAL LAW "just in case" it's needed. The picture becomes clearer now? This country has NEVER seen martial law before!

A true prophet of God I know, someone whom I've known all my life, said to me last fall, "Y2K is going to be a 'bump in the road.'" I asked him, "Oh, you see fair weather ahead? No recession? No depression?" His response was this, "I didn't say that. Y2K will be a 3 - 4 month bump in the road, government is in for major change in 2000. Presidency will have changes significant enough that those who remember former presidencies will know the institution has been totally altered, however the present generation will just go with the flow." What's going to happen that would cause such an extreme change in our very governmental processes after 200 years?

This brings us to the famous visions of Dannion Brinkley. He has had 98 out of 117 prophetic visions come true so far since 1975 when he had his incredible near death experience from being hit by lightning. For his part he sees this:

"Boxes 10 and 11 came in rapid succession. They revealed scenes of the economic collapse of the world. In general terms, these visions showed a world in horrible turmoil by the turn of the century, one that resulted in a new world order that was truly one of feudalism and strife. In one of the visions, people lined up to take money out of banks. In another, the banks were being closed by the government. The voice that accompanied the visions told me that this would take place in the 90's and would be the beginning of an economic strife that would lead to the bankruptcy of America by the year 2000..." Sounds a lot like the Y2K scenario, huh?

Remember Dannion's visions came in 1975, long before we knew what we know now about people trying to make a run on the banks to withdraw their money for Y2K preparation. This is a possible scenario that could happen. It's not set in stone. The future is not set yet. We can all make the difference -- each of us -- by preparing without panic, a little at a time, instead of waiting till the last minute and running to the banks.

I keep all of these things in mind, and take them all with a grain of salt. The most important thing any of us can do to prepare is to get to know our maker, to be at peace within and know that all is in Spirit's hands -- and to hear the right voice within, the small still voice, and take action according to that. How can one go wrong there? Although we must keep our eyes and ears open and heed warnings appropriately, I feel that the Y2K problem within each of us is what truly needs to be dealt with. Fear and confusion has no place here. Change the inner and the outer takes care of itself!

Thanks for letting me give my two cents.

Sharon Eby-Martin
Nebraska, USA



I was aware of Y2K as a vague sensation, a need to know more. In August of last year, Peter in his "Earth Prophecy List" forwarded the three-section mailing from NHNE (August 19, 1998). After reading them, I went almost catatonic for two months. Finally, I shared the information with my husband.

We began by making copies of the NHNE reports, some 42 pages, and giving them to friends. Then we began assessing our needs and making plans for the future. We have purchased a 12 kW generator, and have started putting away food and extra water, and non-hybrid seeds.

I have had a lady set up a website, which should be online this week, to allow people in Nevada to communicate. It is because we live some 28 miles from town that we have provided this outlet for others:


Personally, we are concentrating our community awareness with our closest neighbors.

God bless you for the work you are doing. I send a little money when I can. I, too, see the need for spiritual strength in these times. If I can only do one thing, I want to make all those I come in contact with aware that we can face this and survive -- perhaps even if the prophecy of Nostradamus or the third Message of Fatima do occur and cause even more serious problems in June.

Sharon Lee Taylor
PahRahdise Ranch, Nevada, USA



Burnout is certainly a fact of life when you deal with preparations for Y2K, earthquakes, economic hits, or whatever else occurs. The net of it seems to be to share information with those who evince interest; make comments to the uniformed; and focus the majority of your energy on getting your family prepared -- that is tough enough. The others have made their choice.

Looking at matters from an astrological perspective, it looks as though the USA will muddle through the various predictions and prophecies, but will not be able to coast. June/July 1999; September 1999; (possibly November for an economic hit if Gordon Michael Scallion is correct); mid-February 2000; and mid-April 2000 look to be the most likely points when the USA will be learning some lessons. The worst part of Y2K apparently is not going to show up until February 2000, and for a number of months afterward, but you may be looking at some extreme actions or events in February 2000 related to solar flares or behavior of legislative bodies. The current military action around Kosovo seems likely to "peak and valley" until the February-April 2000 period when more significant action is taken.

Assuming the information about Nibiru (Marduk) (12th Planet) is correct, then 2003 could signal more disturbances.


P.S. Politically, there would seem to be changes affecting the White House either around May 22, 1999; June 1999; or at the latest, September 1999. The current resident is not likely to finish his term.



An event as huge as Y2K in the lives of six billion souls will not return us to the status quo. This is a node of transition. Now is time to stretch into unknown territory, adapting and inventing, pouring our resources into finding answers where none have been provided for us. Y2K is an unprecedented disaster, or we can consider it an amazing opportunity. Bonds of the past will be severed. We could surrender, broken and confused, or we can create novel systems which we have only begun to imagine. We have an abundance of tools and answers at hand. Now is the time to synthesize the next step in human civilization.

Y2K is a time for retrospection, introspection, and foresight. Y2K, global warming, and oil depletion mean a similar fate to the world as we know it: it will no longer function as the status quo. Any of these could precipitate TEOTWAWKI. Whether the next era in civilization is disastrous or transformative is up to us.

To many, the changeover makes economic and ecological sense. As we realize that products and services will not be forthcoming from the multinationals, in pervasive self-determination, we will begin providing alternatives. If distribution of goods breaks down, we reserve the right to supply, produce, and distribute goods and services ourselves in order to keep ourselves economically and physically viable. Regulations and taxes shall cease on food, construction, health care, transportation, energy, and bartering. Locally owned and operated businesses will crop up everywhere.

Through reasoning and intuition, we will wrought minimal laws for our times, weaving a new social fabric. Demand the support of government and industry in gaining widespread use of alternatives. No more patent buyouts and burying. No more single interest. No more subsidizing the unsustainable, let alone the unthinkable. Let's gaze into the future and act for the benefit of the seventh generation hence.

Answers to our immediate dilemma paradoxically lie in long term sustainability. Those already tuned in will have the easiest transition in this great disruption. With imagination and creativity, we will not only survive but also pass along a verdant world to our descendants.

Does this sound like another alien spaceship rescue theory: Y2K relieving us of our mistakes in one easy step? Too simplistic, too idealistic, too ironic? It IS so unbelievably perfect! Those with everything to lose are not laughing. Those working overtime to fix the problem are not overjoyed. Those of us who resonate with the earth are bathed in the glory of the moment. Those who see a more perfect union between humankind and nature rest assured that it will be so, it must be so for our survival, sooner or later.

It will be difficult, requiring tremendous output, calm, focus, and sincerity to right the human world after this fall. It will be up to us to right the wrongs. Rebuilding society in a new image will be the most significant achievement of humanity yet.

Discussing and creating guidelines for the new millennium, the greatest hurdle requires a jump in mindset from the indoctrination of the status quo. Thinking for ourselves is a trait too often defeated by public education. However, we will find resourcefulness, spontaneity, and common sense, beneficial attributes when facing the unknown.

There is a potential for a tremendous loss of population; what are successful survival traits? Whom do we trust? Whom do we help? Whom do we support? Whom do we obey? Your choices will become critical. Reach into your heart for answers. Focus on a vision.

Know that chaos comes first. Know that chaos gives you permission to find your deep soul, to find who you really are and express your best. With trust, humility, and sharp wits we will counter the demands on our culture in chaos.

Peace of Mind

Live in the country.
Have your own source of water.
Find alternative energy.
Learn what is garbage.
Compost waste.
Grow food.
Save seeds.
Do something useful.
Entertain yourself.

Roberta Quist


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